UPDATE - A murder inquiry has been launched after the 20-years-old man shot in Stretford on Saturday night died this morning.
Detectives investigating Halton McCollin's murder are now appealing directly to people who were in the area when he was shot to come forward.
The 20-year-old promising footballer died around 10.30am this morning.
He had been rushed to hospital after he was shot in the China Gardens takeaway on Chester Road.
Since then Halton had been in intensive care fighting for his life with his family by his side.
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His injuries were too extensive however.
Halton was born and brought up in Trafford and had been living in a flat on Seymour Grove in recent months.
Halton went to Parrs Wood High School where he worked hard and developed his love for football. He dedicated much of his time to training and playing the sport he loved.
He had a job working as a call-taker with Norwich Union in Stretford, and played semi-professional football to a high standard at Flixton FC.
On Saturday he had gone to the takeaway to get some food with his friends when he was shot.
It is believed that two masked men, one holding a gun, ran into the takeaway just after 8.45pm and a number of shots were fired. Halton was found bleeding badly from his wound.
Nobody else was injured in the incident.
Today Halton's family have paid tribute to a "loving" son, and have spoken of their disbelief that this could happen.
Halton's dad made the following statement: "Halton was a loving older half-brother to his younger brother and sister, who are only eight and four.
"I just cannot believe that this has happened to my son. He was such a thoughtful boy with a great sense of humour. He was sport mad. He was always either watching or playing football, and was totally loyal to his team and coach. I am just devastated that he's gone."
Halton's mother also described her shock at her son's murder, and appealed to the community to come forward and assist police.
"Halton was a very sociable person and was totally loyal to his friends and family. I am in complete shock about this.
"This is the tragic loss of a promising young man who was on track to really make something of his life"
Supt John Graves
"I really want to urge you to talk to the police if you know anything about who killed my son, or why he was killed. Halton would have wanted you to come forward and get him some justice. The police need your help. Please think of my son and do what you can."
CCTV footage from outside the takeaway, and the nearby Gorse Hill pub, clearly shows several people who could be potential witnesses to this murder.
Superintendent John Graves, who is working closely with the team investigating Halton's murder, said: "This is the tragic loss of a promising young man who was on track to really make something of his life.
"His footballing career had every chance of flourishing as Flixton was a good springboard for youngsters to get interest from bigger clubs. Now his family will have to live never knowing what he could have achieved.
"My colleagues investigating this appalling crime have viewed CCTV footage from the area and there are clearly several people present who are vital witnesses to this murder.
"You know who you are and I appeal directly to you to come and speak to us. I would challenge you to stay silent if you could see how heartbroken Halton's family are.
"For the sake of them, and for Halton, pick up the phone and tell us what you know. Your call will be treated in the strictest of confidence."
Anyone with any information about this shooting is asked to contact the major incident room on 0161 856 4159 or Crimestoppers, anonymously, on 0800 555 111.
The shooting is the third serious incident in the last month.
A 23-year-old man was shot in the chest in Old Trafford on January 11 at about 8.45am.
The incident occured after the victim and a friend, had been sat in a Vauxhall Astra parked on Coleby Avenue when they were approached by a number of men and one of them fired a hand gun.
In an another incident a 42-year-old man was left in a serious condition after he was shot in the back on Washbrook Drive in Stretford on December 31.
Anyone with information is asked to contact Crimestoppers, anonymously, on 0800 555 111.
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Posted by: Mark, Stretford on 7:28pm Sun 20 Jan 08
Not that Im suggesting the gang tag that recently appeared in Stretford had anything to do with this, but the number of gun crimes occurring in Stretford recently seems worringly high. When small crimes such as the recent lead thefts are utterly ignored by council and police alike, other criminals will feel they can do anything they want and crime escalates to levels not previously seen before.
Not that Im suggesting the gang tag that recently appeared in Stretford had anything to do with this, but the number of gun crimes occurring in Stretford recently seems worringly high. When small crimes such as the recent lead thefts are utterly ignored by council and police alike, other criminals will feel they can do anything they want and crime escalates to levels not previously seen before.
I have lived in Stretford all my life, but am sick of having my car vandalised or broken into. I work for what I have (which isnt much) and have a teenage daughter myself. My daughter does not hang around in a gang, roaming the streets so why are there those that do?? Crime in Stretford is getting worse who will fight for it to be stopped, how will it be stopped and when??
I have lived in Stretford all my life, but am sick of having my car vandalised or broken into. I work for what I have (which isnt much) and have a teenage daughter myself. My daughter does not hang around in a gang, roaming the streets so why are there those that do?? Crime in Stretford is getting worse who will fight for it to be stopped, how will it be stopped and when??
Posted by: Mark, Stretford on 10:19am Mon 21 Jan 08
Stretford is not a bad place to live as in all areas the majority are good law abiding people. A lot of the crimes are committed by people coming from outside Stretford.Teenagers wander the streets because their parents allow them to. As someone stated crime is getting worse because the little crimes that are committed are completely ignored by police. I am not blaming the police here, rather government policy that does not give them enough money to do the job and sets ridiculous targets. There is no deterrent at all anymore, prison should be a feared place to go, not tvs and playstations. I have been mugged twice and been told theres nothing the police can do. The advice was to allow them to mug you and dont fight back. recently the houses on our street had all the lead removed from them. The thieves had the cheek to come back two days later to finish the job knowing full well the police were not going to be around. A letter to the commanding officer who I notice has just received an award elicited no response at all. What hope is there if the police and government arent interested in fighting the small crimes, small crimes yes, but these are the ones that affect us the most. it will only escalate until they start from the bottom of the crime scale up.
Stretford is not a bad place to live as in all areas the majority are good law abiding people. A lot of the crimes are committed by people coming from outside Stretford.Teenagers wander the streets because their parents allow them to. As someone stated crime is getting worse because the little crimes that are committed are completely ignored by police. I am not blaming the police here, rather government policy that does not give them enough money to do the job and sets ridiculous targets. There is no deterrent at all anymore, prison should be a feared place to go, not tvs and playstations. I have been mugged twice and been told theres nothing the police can do. The advice was to allow them to mug you and dont fight back. recently the houses on our street had all the lead removed from them. The thieves had the cheek to come back two days later to finish the job knowing full well the police were not going to be around. A letter to the commanding officer who I notice has just received an award elicited no response at all. What hope is there if the police and government arent interested in fighting the small crimes, small crimes yes, but these are the ones that affect us the most. it will only escalate until they start from the bottom of the crime scale up.
Posted by: Gorsehillian, Gorse Hill on 11:51am Mon 21 Jan 08
The Gorsehill Pub in Stretford is partly to blame for the gun culture and the gangs that hang around on the front of Chester Road. Lads on bikes are allowed to go in the pub even though they are underaged and these are the lads that are mugging people and intimidating the punters who normally go in the Gorse. I know for a fact that the lad who has been shot is one of the lads that hangs around with this gang. My heart goes out to him and i really do hope he pulls through as he is just a kid but is the law going to step up now and sort this ongoing battle out? no are they hell. It's been stated that the have heightened the police presence on Chester Road following the shooting but what use is that? Someone has already been shot, it needed doing months ago! The Gorse and Milton Close need bull dozing because that is where these people congregate. Its just a sad shame that this boy has been shot and it wasn't just a body shot he has been shot in the head so these brainless scum bags had intentions to kill, not wound KILL. Lets see how long they get in prison, 6-7 years max and out in 4 for good behaviour on a charge of manslaughter, its a joke. This country is a joke and there is nothing you or i can do about it. The do gooders at the top are the ones that need shooting, if you do the crime you do the time. Minimum 15 years for carrying a gun, 10 for carrying a knife even if you dont use it thats what i think. Stop banging people up for not paying their council tax and saying the prisons are full when it comes to locking up the real criminals!
The Gorsehill Pub in Stretford is partly to blame for the gun culture and the gangs that hang around on the front of Chester Road. Lads on bikes are allowed to go in the pub even though they are underaged and these are the lads that are mugging people and intimidating the punters who normally go in the Gorse. I know for a fact that the lad who has been shot is one of the lads that hangs around with this gang. My heart goes out to him and i really do hope he pulls through as he is just a kid but is the law going to step up now and sort this ongoing battle out? no are they hell. It's been stated that the have heightened the police presence on Chester Road following the shooting but what use is that? Someone has already been shot, it needed doing months ago! The Gorse and Milton Close need bull dozing because that is where these people congregate. Its just a sad shame that this boy has been shot and it wasn't just a body shot he has been shot in the head so these brainless scum bags had intentions to kill, not wound KILL. Lets see how long they get in prison, 6-7 years max and out in 4 for good behaviour on a charge of manslaughter, its a joke. This country is a joke and there is nothing you or i can do about it. The do gooders at the top are the ones that need shooting, if you do the crime you do the time. Minimum 15 years for carrying a gun, 10 for carrying a knife even if you dont use it thats what i think. Stop banging people up for not paying their council tax and saying the prisons are full when it comes to locking up the real criminals!
Posted by: woza, Gorse hill on 1:19pm Mon 21 Jan 08
How Gorsehillian can say the Gorse hill pub can be to blame for the gun culture is behond me This shooting was wateing to happen Milton close is knowen for its drug culture in the area and most of the bike gangs come from old trafford and meet up with are own gangs on chester road outside the pub and shops their is a cctv cam over the road from the gorse does this work or not when the police do come and have a look the gangs just move to a diffrent street or the park and top fields givein more problams to residents its time the police and council did something about this problum now its well out of hand then we can have the peace of mind to wark past the gangs of lads and girls without being insulted.
How Gorsehillian can say the Gorse hill pub can be to blame for the gun culture is behond me This shooting was wateing to happen Milton close is knowen for its drug culture in the area and most of the bike gangs come from old trafford and meet up with are own gangs on chester road outside the pub and shops their is a cctv cam over the road from the gorse does this work or not when the police do come and have a look the gangs just move to a diffrent street or the park and top fields givein more problams to residents its time the police and council did something about this problum now its well out of hand then we can have the peace of mind to wark past the gangs of lads and girls without being insulted.
Posted by: Lisa, manchester on 2:09pm Mon 21 Jan 08
its about time parents took more notice of what their children are upto, it wouldnt suprise me if famiilies round there didnt really care to be honest, its not a nice place. i used to go into the mentioned pub and it did seem to attract youth gangs there is no way you would catch me in there nowadays!!!!
its about time parents took more notice of what their children are upto, it wouldnt suprise me if famiilies round there didnt really care to be honest, its not a nice place. i used to go into the mentioned pub and it did seem to attract youth gangs there is no way you would catch me in there nowadays!!!!
Posted by: Old Traffordian, Old Trafford on 2:44pm Mon 21 Jan 08
I agree with the Gorsehillian. My heart goes out to the family that would of got a call early hours to say there son had been shot - every mothers nightmare. I also agree in saying that the Gorse pub is to blame for the congregation of all of the gangs, it is a place for them all to "hook up" and does anyone do anything about it NO they just leave them to it. I used to go that pub every single week and have been driven away from all of the gangs that are in there the name calling the square dancing just to get through the door. How can people say the parents should be aware of whats going on what you gonna say to your 16 year old son "you are grounded" I DONT THINK SO! The saying "you are what you hang with" is so true!
I agree with the Gorsehillian. My heart goes out to the family that would of got a call early hours to say there son had been shot - every mothers nightmare. I also agree in saying that the Gorse pub is to blame for the congregation of all of the gangs, it is a place for them all to "hook up" and does anyone do anything about it NO they just leave them to it. I used to go that pub every single week and have been driven away from all of the gangs that are in there the name calling the square dancing just to get through the door. How can people say the parents should be aware of whats going on what you gonna say to your 16 year old son "you are grounded" I DONT THINK SO! The saying "you are what you hang with" is so true!
Posted by: Macca, Stretford on 2:52pm Mon 21 Jan 08
Gorse hill is a nice place with nice people. It's just outsiders have now decided to hang about outside and in the Gorse pub when they are mainly underaged. I know for a fact that pub lets people do drugs in there. If there's a place for these scroates to go with no hassle then thats where they will go and unfortunately it's the Gorse in this case. That pub has gone down hill. None of the regulars from my day will go near it. The china garden where the young man was shot is next door but 2 to the Gorse, if that pub was not there then i can guarantee that that young man would not have been where he was the night he was shot. Its not fair on the nice kids that hang around there as they are all looked upon as bad news when they are not. It's the lot from Old Trafford that have brought Gorse Hill to it's knees.
Gorse hill is a nice place with nice people. It's just outsiders have now decided to hang about outside and in the Gorse pub when they are mainly underaged. I know for a fact that pub lets people do drugs in there. If there's a place for these scroates to go with no hassle then thats where they will go and unfortunately it's the Gorse in this case. That pub has gone down hill. None of the regulars from my day will go near it. The china garden where the young man was shot is next door but 2 to the Gorse, if that pub was not there then i can guarantee that that young man would not have been where he was the night he was shot. Its not fair on the nice kids that hang around there as they are all looked upon as bad news when they are not. It's the lot from Old Trafford that have brought Gorse Hill to it's knees.
Posted by: Mark, Stretford on 3:08pm Mon 21 Jan 08
Its true what Macca says, Gorse Hill and Stretford are still decent places to live in. I am proud of living in Stretford. I just wish the council would sort out the muggings and now shootings which often are caused by people outside of this area. When I was mugged I saw the car they got into and it headed straight for Old trafford. Again on Milton close Im sure some of the families are law abiding families, you cant tar them all with this behaviour. As I and others have said there is just no deterrant to committing such crimes, as we have sadly seen with the case in Warrington recently. Prison needs to be a terrible experience, of course try and reform them but dont give them tv's and playstations! Some parents are a disgrace too for allowing their children to stay on street corners like this! When was the last time the council actually invested any money into Gorse Hill and Stretford?! Probably when they built that statue thing on the canal..........
Its true what Macca says, Gorse Hill and Stretford are still decent places to live in. I am proud of living in Stretford. I just wish the council would sort out the muggings and now shootings which often are caused by people outside of this area. When I was mugged I saw the car they got into and it headed straight for Old trafford. Again on Milton close Im sure some of the families are law abiding families, you cant tar them all with this behaviour. As I and others have said there is just no deterrant to committing such crimes, as we have sadly seen with the case in Warrington recently. Prison needs to be a terrible experience, of course try and reform them but dont give them tv's and playstations! Some parents are a disgrace too for allowing their children to stay on street corners like this! When was the last time the council actually invested any money into Gorse Hill and Stretford?! Probably when they built that statue thing on the canal..........
Posted by: Old Traffordian, Old Trafford on 3:15pm Mon 21 Jan 08
How can you say you seen the car heading straight for old Trafford how do ya know it was not heading towards Hulme? Mosside? Salford. Old Trafford has always carried its name and is not even as bad as it was! i would walk down the street in Old Trafford at night rather than a street in gorsehill!
How can you say you seen the car heading straight for old Trafford how do ya know it was not heading towards Hulme? Mosside? Salford. Old Trafford has always carried its name and is not even as bad as it was! i would walk down the street in Old Trafford at night rather than a street in gorsehill!
Posted by: Sally, Stretford on 3:31pm Mon 21 Jan 08
Lets not argue about which area these horrid people come from. The police have to do something about it now before it gets even worse than it is now! All areas have their good and bad people.
Lets not argue about which area these horrid people come from. The police have to do something about it now before it gets even worse than it is now! All areas have their good and bad people.
Posted by: Macca, stretford on 3:37pm Mon 21 Jan 08
to be fair i wouldn't feel safe walking down the street in Old Trafford or Stretford at the moment. Its true there has been no money invested in GH or Stretford. The youth club has been shut down but that was because people kept robbing the coke machine and the office and the staff couldn't stop the gangs congregating outside. I don't know the answer. Tougher sentences need too be put inplace, if the b4stard who shot this lad gets 7 years or less its a joke and to me condones their behaviour. Prison should be a place where they dread not a place where they look at as a stop gap to earn a name for themselves cos they 'shot' someone. big wow, i hope they are haunted for life and die in the worst way possible, bring back the death penalty i say, a life for a life! I have heard these so called gangs say things to the POLICE about other citizens like ' i might accidentaly come back with a gun and start shooting people, i will do ten years for you i will only be 27 by the time i get out and you will be brown bread' the police then just move these little specimens on rather than detaining them. The police need more power or this will NEVER stop. How many more lives are going to be ruined? I feel for the families because of their loss and hope whoever did this get what they deserve.
to be fair i wouldn't feel safe walking down the street in Old Trafford or Stretford at the moment. Its true there has been no money invested in GH or Stretford. The youth club has been shut down but that was because people kept robbing the coke machine and the office and the staff couldn't stop the gangs congregating outside. I don't know the answer. Tougher sentences need too be put inplace, if the b4stard who shot this lad gets 7 years or less its a joke and to me condones their behaviour. Prison should be a place where they dread not a place where they look at as a stop gap to earn a name for themselves cos they 'shot' someone. big wow, i hope they are haunted for life and die in the worst way possible, bring back the death penalty i say, a life for a life! I have heard these so called gangs say things to the POLICE about other citizens like ' i might accidentaly come back with a gun and start shooting people, i will do ten years for you i will only be 27 by the time i get out and you will be brown bread' the police then just move these little specimens on rather than detaining them. The police need more power or this will NEVER stop. How many more lives are going to be ruined? I feel for the families because of their loss and hope whoever did this get what they deserve.
Posted by: inner city life on 3:49pm Mon 21 Jan 08
[quote]Gorse hill is a nice place with nice people. It's just outsiders have now decided to hang about outside and in the Gorse pub when they are mainly underaged. I know for a fact that pub lets people do drugs in there.[/quote]
drugs allowed? nice place? lovely.
Gorse hill is a nice place with nice people. It's just outsiders have now decided to hang about outside and in the Gorse pub when they are mainly underaged. I know for a fact that pub lets people do drugs in there.
Posted by: Old Traffordian, Old Trafford on 3:51pm Mon 21 Jan 08
I agree with you both. There is nothing for the youths to do anymore there is no where for them to go! But how these people sleep at night i will never no! Its a cruel cruel world that we will live in now and its all about survival of the fittest! Its sh!t
I agree with you both. There is nothing for the youths to do anymore there is no where for them to go! But how these people sleep at night i will never no! Its a cruel cruel world that we will live in now and its all about survival of the fittest! Its sh!t
Posted by: Mike, Stretford on 3:58pm Mon 21 Jan 08
God we are all depressed arent we? Yes it is a cruel world with some horrible people in, but despite all this there are people out there who do good, and want to achieve something that helps their community, people from Old trafford, Gorse Hill, Stretford. Its these that should be supported more by the council and the police. However there is still stuff for youths to, there are 100's of amateur football teams for one, cubs and scouts still exist however dated it maybe to some so you cant use that as an excuse for staying out late at night, mugging people, shooting people etc. Of course there should be a lot more for young people to do, but this wouldnt solve everything. The lack of example from these childrens parents and the lack of deterrant from the law is everything to do with it!
God we are all depressed arent we? Yes it is a cruel world with some horrible people in, but despite all this there are people out there who do good, and want to achieve something that helps their community, people from Old trafford, Gorse Hill, Stretford. Its these that should be supported more by the council and the police. However there is still stuff for youths to, there are 100's of amateur football teams for one, cubs and scouts still exist however dated it maybe to some so you cant use that as an excuse for staying out late at night, mugging people, shooting people etc. Of course there should be a lot more for young people to do, but this wouldnt solve everything. The lack of example from these childrens parents and the lack of deterrant from the law is everything to do with it!
stop talking rubbish!! The lad involved was not part of the 'gang' as you put it, ignorant bunch of small minded people. He worked a full time job round the corner from where it happened, all he did was be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and in my opinion they may have thought he was someone else. why do people assume so much before the evidence is presented, its a pity you do this to hoodies rather than peadophones and rapist!
stop talking rubbish!! The lad involved was not part of the 'gang' as you put it, ignorant bunch of small minded people. He worked a full time job round the corner from where it happened, all he did was be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and in my opinion they may have thought he was someone else. why do people assume so much before the evidence is presented, its a pity you do this to hoodies rather than peadophones and rapist!
rite just for all you hipacritical people tarding the boy that got shot as a so called "gang member" why dont you stop talking rubbish! i bet half of you didn't no him so dont start talking rubbish making claims that he was! because ill tell you now he was an average 20 yr old with a job and a flat and doing well for himself in life so u tel me how he was a gang member!?? because theres plenty of people that will tel you he aint! and yh gun crimes going crazy but it aint always the guilty one's that get shot! n if thats all use ave got to say i dont think any one who nos him wants to hear!
rite just for all you hipacritical people tarding the boy that got shot as a so called "gang member" why dont you stop talking rubbish! i bet half of you didn't no him so dont start talking rubbish making claims that he was! because ill tell you now he was an average 20 yr old with a job and a flat and doing well for himself in life so u tel me how he was a gang member!?? because theres plenty of people that will tel you he aint! and yh gun crimes going crazy but it aint always the guilty one's that get shot! n if thats all use ave got to say i dont think any one who nos him wants to hear!
Well said Shi/J. I grew up with him when he lived in didsbury for years - would him actually coming from a different area make him seem less likely to be 'in a gang'? He was one of the funniest people i remember and he was a nice person & I can't believe this has happened to him. I don't think we should accuse him of anything or say 'he brought it on himself' until we get some real facts.
Can we point out that had it happened somewhere else, would this have been seen as an unprovoked attack? What matters right now is that people actually are thinking about the family and his friends that have been affected by this. He is fighting for his life.
Well said Shi/J. I grew up with him when he lived in didsbury for years - would him actually coming from a different area make him seem less likely to be 'in a gang'? He was one of the funniest people i remember and he was a nice person & I can't believe this has happened to him. I don't think we should accuse him of anything or say 'he brought it on himself' until we get some real facts.
Can we point out that had it happened somewhere else, would this have been seen as an unprovoked attack? What matters right now is that people actually are thinking about the family and his friends that have been affected by this. He is fighting for his life.
Posted by: fed up, stretford on 6:35pm Mon 21 Jan 08
the person that was shot was not in a gang and had apprantly 'dissed' the gang of lads that hang round there.
its the same group of lads that go round on bikes, hanging outside the pub, captian cook and haydock close. lots of complaints have gone in and nothing is ever done. why are the parents allowed to keep their house and let this happen. why dont police have the power to charge them for loitering. walking round now is getting a joke. i used to live in old trafford and it was never as bad as this, when there was a so called 'dissing' it was a one on one fight and it was dealt with without weapons and you earned a **** sight more respect.
the people who done this are nothing but coward scum.
the person that was shot was not in a gang and had apprantly 'dissed' the gang of lads that hang round there.
its the same group of lads that go round on bikes, hanging outside the pub, captian cook and haydock close. lots of complaints have gone in and nothing is ever done. why are the parents allowed to keep their house and let this happen. why dont police have the power to charge them for loitering. walking round now is getting a joke. i used to live in old trafford and it was never as bad as this, when there was a so called 'dissing' it was a one on one fight and it was dealt with without weapons and you earned a **** sight more respect.
the people who done this are nothing but coward scum.
I grew up on Ashover Street in gorse hill, and i remember them times as the best times of my life. because back then it was so different. i dnt remember any gangs or any shootings. there was the occaisional mugging like a kids bike getting taken. but thats all. i remember the community being so close, everybody on the street and the surrounding streets knew each other, u could play football and ride ur bikes in the streets without fear of gangs. and i think my parents sensed the area was goin downhill, thats when i moved in 1999. but dnt disresepect gorsehill cos i'm sure most residents are like everyone else. and just want it to end.
I grew up on Ashover Street in gorse hill, and i remember them times as the best times of my life. because back then it was so different. i dnt remember any gangs or any shootings. there was the occaisional mugging like a kids bike getting taken. but thats all. i remember the community being so close, everybody on the street and the surrounding streets knew each other, u could play football and ride ur bikes in the streets without fear of gangs. and i think my parents sensed the area was goin downhill, thats when i moved in 1999. but dnt disresepect gorsehill cos i'm sure most residents are like everyone else. and just want it to end.
This guy who was shot is such a nice person. he is funny and smart. Whatever he has done in life in wud av never deserved this. I hope the person that did this is caughh and his family suffer jus like his are now.
'Hope You Pull Through and we are all thinkin of you. xxx'
This guy who was shot is such a nice person. he is funny and smart. Whatever he has done in life in wud av never deserved this. I hope the person that did this is caughh and his family suffer jus like his are now.
'Hope You Pull Through and we are all thinkin of you. xxx'
The young man shot today is a work collegue of mine, although still young, he commanded the respect of the men and women he works with because of his sense of humour and genuine good manners, he's a great lad. And whilst it's difficult not to jump to conclusions, people should think twice about posting comments on larger social issues at this difficult time.
The young man shot today is a work collegue of mine, although still young, he commanded the respect of the men and women he works with because of his sense of humour and genuine good manners, he's a great lad. And whilst it's difficult not to jump to conclusions, people should think twice about posting comments on larger social issues at this difficult time.
just fort i wud add in to this ... i fink its pathetic the way gangs go round shootin people omg its fukin stupid man .!!!! tey desve to dieeee sriously this guy is wnted on this earth by so many people its untru ! come on halton u ca ull through this bbe ... Love You ... People Need To Take Notice Of The Front Of People insted of jus takin notice of the back of people dont ya boys !!! and need to fukin grow the **** up n stop goin rnd wit guns ... people like hij dont deserve to dieee !!! .. he was a wuiet guy and he got on with what eva he had to do he wnt no gang memba he was a gud lad and i hope to god yu pull through bbe <3
just fort i wud add in to this ... i fink its pathetic the way gangs go round shootin people omg its fukin stupid man .!!!! tey desve to dieeee sriously this guy is wnted on this earth by so many people its untru ! come on halton u ca ull through this bbe ... Love You ... People Need To Take Notice Of The Front Of People insted of jus takin notice of the back of people dont ya boys !!! and need to fukin grow the **** up n stop goin rnd wit guns ... people like hij dont deserve to dieee !!! .. he was a wuiet guy and he got on with what eva he had to do he wnt no gang memba he was a gud lad and i hope to god yu pull through bbe <3
I grew up with him. he's not any member of a gang. He is a lovely guy. he never got into any trouble, he passed his gcse's, then got in to college, and just got his place in uni. Call that a bad guy? I really dont think so.
he was fired at because they had mistaken him for someone else. the people that shot him obviously arn't bright enough to even point a gun in the right direction.
These gangs dont care who they kill, 'the more the better' probably in their case, the more people they kill the bigger reputation they have.
is ridiculous, where are their lives going? No where. they'll be living off our money in council houses commiting benefit fraud when they decide their sad lives containing the exciting thought of guns is over.
the person that did this to Halton deserves every punishment unthinkable
I grew up with him. he's not any member of a gang. He is a lovely guy. he never got into any trouble, he passed his gcse's, then got in to college, and just got his place in uni. Call that a bad guy? I really dont think so.
he was fired at because they had mistaken him for someone else. the people that shot him obviously arn't bright enough to even point a gun in the right direction.
These gangs dont care who they kill, 'the more the better' probably in their case, the more people they kill the bigger reputation they have.
is ridiculous, where are their lives going? No where. they'll be living off our money in council houses commiting benefit fraud when they decide their sad lives containing the exciting thought of guns is over.
the person that did this to Halton deserves every punishment unthinkable
Posted by: Macca, Stretford on 10:41pm Mon 21 Jan 08
For Shi and J i am not suggesting that he was a gang member himself and the bad comments are not aimed at the lad in anyway they are aimed at the b4stards who shot him who are in a 'gang'! I just hope to god he pulls through cos if he doesn't his poor family will never be happy again and wont rest. I also feel for his poor mates who had to watch his get shot and there was nothing they could do about it!
For Shi and J i am not suggesting that he was a gang member himself and the bad comments are not aimed at the lad in anyway they are aimed at the b4stards who shot him who are in a 'gang'! I just hope to god he pulls through cos if he doesn't his poor family will never be happy again and wont rest. I also feel for his poor mates who had to watch his get shot and there was nothing they could do about it!
Posted by: james, Stretford on 11:02pm Mon 21 Jan 08
my thoughts are with this lads family. I hope he pulls through. Shame on those who did it, and those who didnt stop people like them congregating near the Gorse night after night, preying on innocent people as in this incident.
my thoughts are with this lads family. I hope he pulls through. Shame on those who did it, and those who didnt stop people like them congregating near the Gorse night after night, preying on innocent people as in this incident.
I know very little about this area and its gangs, but I do know the young man who is fighting for his life. I taught him at the college he attended, and I was very pleased and proud for him when he found a job and it looked as if he was going to do OK. I got to know him quite well and he is a lovely, good-humoured and kind person.
For a while now, I have been thinking that it was only a matter of time before gang culture claimed a young person I know, and this makes me desperately sad and concerned. I know nothing about what actually happened here, but my heart goes out to H and his family and friends and I really hope he pulls through.
The saddest thing is that I have the feeling that this won't be the last time I hear news like this about one of my students.I worry continually about gun culture and young people, but even more so when this comes so close to home.
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I know very little about this area and its gangs, but I do know the young man who is fighting for his life. I taught him at the college he attended, and I was very pleased and proud for him when he found a job and it looked as if he was going to do OK. I got to know him quite well and he is a lovely, good-humoured and kind person.
For a while now, I have been thinking that it was only a matter of time before gang culture claimed a young person I know, and this makes me desperately sad and concerned. I know nothing about what actually happened here, but my heart goes out to H and his family and friends and I really hope he pulls through.
The saddest thing is that I have the feeling that this won't be the last time I hear news like this about one of my students.I worry continually about gun culture and young people, but even more so when this comes so close to home.
Posted by: Jamie, Stretford on 10:09am Tue 22 Jan 08
The police need to step up and make their presence known in Gorsehill. Don't tell me there aren't police officers sat in the station waiting for a call out when they could be walking the streets. Sentences need to be made tougher and Gorsehill needs cleaning up. Elaine is right, there will be more shootings as i don't think one life claimed in Stretford will be enough for the poice to step up and do something. Also this shooting may have a knock on effect as people will want to seek revenge because i know if someone gunned my son down i would want to get justice and lets face it you wont get it through the eyes of the law. I know that isn't a good thing to say and 2 wrongs don't make a right but retaliation would not happen if these scum bags actually served life for killinig someone rather than 6 years in a holiday camp with TV's, gyms and playstations! Prison should be feared, bring back the death penalty! Guns are to accessible for these kids and that is all they are stupid kids! My thoughts are with Halton and i hope to god he pulls through and people learn from this sad sad situation!
The police need to step up and make their presence known in Gorsehill. Don't tell me there aren't police officers sat in the station waiting for a call out when they could be walking the streets. Sentences need to be made tougher and Gorsehill needs cleaning up. Elaine is right, there will be more shootings as i don't think one life claimed in Stretford will be enough for the poice to step up and do something. Also this shooting may have a knock on effect as people will want to seek revenge because i know if someone gunned my son down i would want to get justice and lets face it you wont get it through the eyes of the law. I know that isn't a good thing to say and 2 wrongs don't make a right but retaliation would not happen if these scum bags actually served life for killinig someone rather than 6 years in a holiday camp with TV's, gyms and playstations! Prison should be feared, bring back the death penalty! Guns are to accessible for these kids and that is all they are stupid kids! My thoughts are with Halton and i hope to god he pulls through and people learn from this sad sad situation!
Posted by: happy daze, stretford on 11:07am Tue 22 Jan 08
[quote]i fink its pathetic the way gangs go round shootin people omg its fukin stupid man .!!!! tey desve to dieeee sriously[/quote]
H - can we think of more constructive ways of combatting the problem than killing back?
i fink its pathetic the way gangs go round shootin people omg its fukin stupid man .!!!! tey desve to dieeee sriously
H - can we think of more constructive ways of combatting the problem than killing back?
The community as a whole need to come up with some ideas. In the meantime, I send my best wishes to this young man and his family. I dont know whether he was in a gang or not and dont care either way he is a person and nobody deserves to be hurt like that. I cant imagine how I would feel if this had happened to my child and lets face it they are all at risk in the society we live in.
The community as a whole need to come up with some ideas. In the meantime, I send my best wishes to this young man and his family. I dont know whether he was in a gang or not and dont care either way he is a person and nobody deserves to be hurt like that. I cant imagine how I would feel if this had happened to my child and lets face it they are all at risk in the society we live in.
Posted by: Lisa, Stretford on 2:22pm Tue 22 Jan 08
Why do we keep doing this to each other? My thoughts are with Halton's family. Its just devastating that this can happen in our supposed civilised society. We have to change. I would happily allow the police to do whatever they want to ensure there are no guns on our streets.
Even if these people are caught they could be out in 14 years. Nothing will bring this innocent boy back. Something has to change. Life should mean life.
Why do we keep doing this to each other? My thoughts are with Halton's family. Its just devastating that this can happen in our supposed civilised society. We have to change. I would happily allow the police to do whatever they want to ensure there are no guns on our streets.
Even if these people are caught they could be out in 14 years. Nothing will bring this innocent boy back. Something has to change. Life should mean life.
I'm so sorry to hear about the death of this talented young man my thoughts are with the family. Ive lived in gorse hill all my life and it was such a nice place to live now i won't even walk down the street on my own anymore. I think they should issue a curfew for all under 18's in the trafford area,it would help cut down alot of the crime in the area. How do you go about starting a petition.
I'm so sorry to hear about the death of this talented young man my thoughts are with the family. Ive lived in gorse hill all my life and it was such a nice place to live now i won't even walk down the street on my own anymore. I think they should issue a curfew for all under 18's in the trafford area,it would help cut down alot of the crime in the area. How do you go about starting a petition.
Posted by: L Gorsehill, Gorsehill on 2:36pm Tue 22 Jan 08
I cant believe he has died. If anyone knows who has done this but is too scared to come forward then you don't need to be. Ring the police anonymously from a payphone or something just to make sure the b4stards are caught. If we all keep running scared this will continue to happen. Everyone says the police need to sort the community out etc but it's us that needs to do it and drive these scum bags out and put them behind bars where they belong. Halton has lost his life, not a few years in prison his LIFE! Anyone who doesn't step forward are as bad as the man that pulled the trigger in my book. There are ways no where you dont need to be named or identified so there is no excuse!
I cant believe he has died. If anyone knows who has done this but is too scared to come forward then you don't need to be. Ring the police anonymously from a payphone or something just to make sure the b4stards are caught. If we all keep running scared this will continue to happen. Everyone says the police need to sort the community out etc but it's us that needs to do it and drive these scum bags out and put them behind bars where they belong. Halton has lost his life, not a few years in prison his LIFE! Anyone who doesn't step forward are as bad as the man that pulled the trigger in my book. There are ways no where you dont need to be named or identified so there is no excuse!
Posted by: Aaron, Manchester on 2:38pm Tue 22 Jan 08
[bold]Halton was not into any sort of gang related violence at all. I had the pleasure of meeting him a few times and hi didn't stop laughing when in his company, so please don't tar him with the "gang related" brush as it is a completely wrong assumption![/bold]
Halton was not into any sort of gang related violence at all. I had the pleasure of meeting him a few times and hi didn't stop laughing when in his company, so please don't tar him with the "gang related" brush as it is a completely wrong assumption!
Posted by: Aaron, Manchester on 2:40pm Tue 22 Jan 08
[quote][bold]kl[/bold] wrote:
i heard it was fallowfield man dem wot shot him he was in a gang called haydock[/quote] [bold]Haydock isn't a gang its a place! That's where halton and friends socialised the most![/bold]
kl wrote:
i heard it was fallowfield man dem wot shot him he was in a gang called haydock
Haydock isn't a gang its a place! That's where halton and friends socialised the most!
Posted by: Sarah, gorsehill on 2:41pm Tue 22 Jan 08
Can we just think about this poor lad and his family for a little while before we start clamouring for this and that. Life will just go on for other people but for his family........
Can we just think about this poor lad and his family for a little while before we start clamouring for this and that. Life will just go on for other people but for his family........
I do think the gorse hill pub has alot to answer to for alot of the crimes around here, and I know for a fact that drugs are being taken in there, they need to shut the place down, and I also blame the council aswell because they put all the riff raff in milton close they also should be knocked down I really want to get out of the area I won't let my children play out because it is so bad. Muggings, Rapes, Murder I can't stand it anymore.[bold]bold[/bold]
I do think the gorse hill pub has alot to answer to for alot of the crimes around here, and I know for a fact that drugs are being taken in there, they need to shut the place down, and I also blame the council aswell because they put all the riff raff in milton close they also should be knocked down I really want to get out of the area I won't let my children play out because it is so bad. Muggings, Rapes, Murder I can't stand it anymore.
Posted by: Dave, Gorse Hill Born on 3:36pm Tue 22 Jan 08
It's not the pub and in many cases not the kids. It is the dirty little cowards who hide behind guns, knives and the crappy little gangs to intimidate people in general. There is a culture and unfortunately it influences kids. That's what they are kids, and the people who feed off them and sell them the guns etc. There are people out there who know who shot him and all the other unsolved shootings! Why don't you all join a new gang call it "COMMUNITY" and get these cowards, who will cry like babies to their mummies when caught! off our streets. They are nothing that is why they carry a gun!
It's not the pub and in many cases not the kids. It is the dirty little cowards who hide behind guns, knives and the crappy little gangs to intimidate people in general. There is a culture and unfortunately it influences kids. That's what they are kids, and the people who feed off them and sell them the guns etc. There are people out there who know who shot him and all the other unsolved shootings! Why don't you all join a new gang call it "COMMUNITY" and get these cowards, who will cry like babies to their mummies when caught! off our streets. They are nothing that is why they carry a gun!
Its time for gorse hill to show the haters how much of a community we really are. its time for people to join together and unite as one to bring down this gang presence. its time not to be afraid but to stand up and come forward. if anyone knows anything bout this. you must speak up.
Its time for gorse hill to show the haters how much of a community we really are. its time for people to join together and unite as one to bring down this gang presence. its time not to be afraid but to stand up and come forward. if anyone knows anything bout this. you must speak up.
God Bless this young man - Its so sad to hear about yet another life wasted. I don't know the lad or whether he was in a gang but I don't beleive any family deserves to find out thier child has died in such an horrific way. I agree with the comments about the Gorse pub - I used to always drink in there but no way would I go in it nowadays with all the people on bikes hanging round IN and outside of the pub but we shouldn't just shut it down - there are local people who want to go back drinking in the Gorse Pub - lets get some new rules in there and bring it back to the great pub it used to be.
God Bless this young man - Its so sad to hear about yet another life wasted. I don't know the lad or whether he was in a gang but I don't beleive any family deserves to find out thier child has died in such an horrific way. I agree with the comments about the Gorse pub - I used to always drink in there but no way would I go in it nowadays with all the people on bikes hanging round IN and outside of the pub but we shouldn't just shut it down - there are local people who want to go back drinking in the Gorse Pub - lets get some new rules in there and bring it back to the great pub it used to be.
Posted by: Adam, Manchester on 5:56pm Tue 22 Jan 08
RIP, Halton.
Unfortunately, there is no real solution to the gun violence which has started to happen in Stretford. A curfew on under 18s is impossible to police, and it would tar every under 18 with the same brush. In fact, the only ones who would be left out on the street are those who are most likely to cause violence and have a fake ID. Whenever one area starts to improve, it is inevitable that another area will shift into decline - simply because the gangs are being moved on.
Although I am not very familiar with the area, I have heard bad things about the pub in question, so a spot inspection could be in order.
The only way to stop the violence is to have riot police on every street corner, but that is simply impossible to do.
Young people are exposed to guns, drugs and violence on a daily basis now. An awful lot of games contain material which I consider to be unacceptable, TV has films which glorify violence - James Bond, anyone? -, and sometimes the parents are involved in gangs themselves.
To even start thinking about a feasible solution, we need to go to the root cause. As I have mentioned above, there are so many avenues for violence to reach people these days.
There will always be knives, guns and dangerous fists on our streets. The only way to guarantee that you're safe is to live in a secure building with shutters on every window and door, an alarm system which contacts the police and deploys them immediately, and to stay in there.
I may sound pessimistic, but it's the sad reality of the world we live in.
RIP, Halton.
Unfortunately, there is no real solution to the gun violence which has started to happen in Stretford. A curfew on under 18s is impossible to police, and it would tar every under 18 with the same brush. In fact, the only ones who would be left out on the street are those who are most likely to cause violence and have a fake ID. Whenever one area starts to improve, it is inevitable that another area will shift into decline - simply because the gangs are being moved on.
Although I am not very familiar with the area, I have heard bad things about the pub in question, so a spot inspection could be in order.
The only way to stop the violence is to have riot police on every street corner, but that is simply impossible to do.
Young people are exposed to guns, drugs and violence on a daily basis now. An awful lot of games contain material which I consider to be unacceptable, TV has films which glorify violence - James Bond, anyone? -, and sometimes the parents are involved in gangs themselves.
To even start thinking about a feasible solution, we need to go to the root cause. As I have mentioned above, there are so many avenues for violence to reach people these days.
There will always be knives, guns and dangerous fists on our streets. The only way to guarantee that you're safe is to live in a secure building with shutters on every window and door, an alarm system which contacts the police and deploys them immediately, and to stay in there.
I may sound pessimistic, but it's the sad reality of the world we live in.
Posted by: sarah, haltons work on 7:02pm Tue 22 Jan 08
msge to johno in stretford, i think he was very unlucky to be the person who was hit in the takeaway,, would u be asking the same question as to whether he was in a gang if it was a member of your family!!??? i think not..!
msge to johno in stretford, i think he was very unlucky to be the person who was hit in the takeaway,, would u be asking the same question as to whether he was in a gang if it was a member of your family!!??? i think not..!
Posted by: me, old trafford/stretford on 7:58pm Tue 22 Jan 08
all u people r just dumb talking about ban hoodies , bikes wiv no lights n put under 18s on cerfew. do u fink that every person involved in gangs is under 18 and rides a bike. the people who murderd halton were in a car, from their hight description they were over 18 and even all u stuck up posh people have probly got a hoodie in ur collection of clothes.
the people who chill in gourse hill near the pub are not even in a gang, they dont go in the pub often and the people who do goin are over 18. they dont mugg people or they would b locked up. if you feel intimmadated about a group of youths chilling sumwere then its your problem, what if they felt intimmadated by old people and trampy little drunks that come out of the pub no1 wud care. your unstable and lack confidence in the younger generations (the future) get sum balls y is ani1 going to trouble you.
********the police need to do their job better because the same car that the people who killed halton escaped in, was involved in a shooting on talbot road two days before********
kl hu eva u r... haydock isnt a gang its a group of boys hu hang about togeather and it doesn't exist animore.
all u people r just dumb talking about ban hoodies , bikes wiv no lights n put under 18s on cerfew. do u fink that every person involved in gangs is under 18 and rides a bike. the people who murderd halton were in a car, from their hight description they were over 18 and even all u stuck up posh people have probly got a hoodie in ur collection of clothes.
the people who chill in gourse hill near the pub are not even in a gang, they dont go in the pub often and the people who do goin are over 18. they dont mugg people or they would b locked up. if you feel intimmadated about a group of youths chilling sumwere then its your problem, what if they felt intimmadated by old people and trampy little drunks that come out of the pub no1 wud care. your unstable and lack confidence in the younger generations (the future) get sum balls y is ani1 going to trouble you.
********the police need to do their job better because the same car that the people who killed halton escaped in, was involved in a shooting on talbot road two days before********
kl hu eva u r... haydock isnt a gang its a group of boys hu hang about togeather and it doesn't exist animore.
Posted by: me, old trafford/stretford on 8:04pm Tue 22 Jan 08
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Posted by: Vote-Capital-Punishm
ent, Manchester on 8:53pm Tue 22 Jan 08
Firstly my heart goes out to Halton's family and friends. R.I.P.
The bottom line is this country is ****. The goverment is too soft on criminals we need to bring back the death penalty and if we say 15 years U DO 15 Years none of this out in half for good behaviour. It's like a holiday camp to these little hoodie wearing can't FIGHT sleep wannabe Gangsta's running round with guns and knives watching too many films thinkin' they 50 cent. They wanna get a job stop hanging around on street corners and outside pubs in GANG's little fags. When I was their age all I was interested in was going out getting laid and having money in my pocket. Now all they wanna do is ACT hard ridin' round on mountain bikes and BMX's at 15 - 20+ years old, GROW UP!!!!!! THE POLICE don't help, you never see them patrolling on foot A VISUAL DETERANT to these little scroates. The Police need to get outta they cars and POLICE THESE STREETS. Oh I wish I was in CHARGE!!!
End of the day all these comment's will fall on deaf ears. CAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY DOGOODERS!!
VOTE - [bold]CAPITAL PUNISHMENT[/bold] (EYE 4 AN EYE)
Firstly my heart goes out to Halton's family and friends. R.I.P.
The bottom line is this country is ****. The goverment is too soft on criminals we need to bring back the death penalty and if we say 15 years U DO 15 Years none of this out in half for good behaviour. It's like a holiday camp to these little hoodie wearing can't FIGHT sleep wannabe Gangsta's running round with guns and knives watching too many films thinkin' they 50 cent. They wanna get a job stop hanging around on street corners and outside pubs in GANG's little fags. When I was their age all I was interested in was going out getting laid and having money in my pocket. Now all they wanna do is ACT hard ridin' round on mountain bikes and BMX's at 15 - 20+ years old, GROW UP!!!!!! THE POLICE don't help, you never see them patrolling on foot A VISUAL DETERANT to these little scroates. The Police need to get outta they cars and POLICE THESE STREETS. Oh I wish I was in CHARGE!!!
End of the day all these comment's will fall on deaf ears. CAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY DOGOODERS!!
VOTE - CAPITAL PUNISHMENT (EYE 4 AN EYE)
COME ON ITS ABOUT TIME WE GOT REALY AND LIFE SHOULD MEAN LIFE (99 YEARS IN MY CASE)PEOPLE GET OFF TO EASY THESE DAYS THEY WILL GET DONE FOR MANSLAUGHTER AND BE OUT IN 5 YEARS ITS A JOKE DIDNT NO HIM BUT ANOTHER YOUNG LIFE WASTED
COME ON ITS ABOUT TIME WE GOT REALY AND LIFE SHOULD MEAN LIFE (99 YEARS IN MY CASE)PEOPLE GET OFF TO EASY THESE DAYS THEY WILL GET DONE FOR MANSLAUGHTER AND BE OUT IN 5 YEARS ITS A JOKE DIDNT NO HIM BUT ANOTHER YOUNG LIFE WASTED
Posted by: anonymous, burnage on 8:56pm Tue 22 Jan 08
in relation to the whole "gang" thing thts goin on, they are nothin but cowards!!! they cant just fight with a fist they have to go to extents like this!!! Halton was the nicest person to meet and know.He was strong minded and wouldnt of got involoved in all this bullshit.Its a shame people have to be in fear of their lives even when they just go to the chippy!!! Something needs to be done! R.I.P HALTON XxXxXxXxXXxX
in relation to the whole "gang" thing thts goin on, they are nothin but cowards!!! they cant just fight with a fist they have to go to extents like this!!! Halton was the nicest person to meet and know.He was strong minded and wouldnt of got involoved in all this bullshit.Its a shame people have to be in fear of their lives even when they just go to the chippy!!! Something needs to be done! R.I.P HALTON XxXxXxXxXXxX
Posted by: my gorsehill, gorsehill on 8:57pm Tue 22 Jan 08
The comments from the uneducated, dyslexic i can only spell in text phone language, proves that one he/she does not fully understand anything about life. The comments section is about people regardless of their background or financial status in relation to a person losing their life to cowardly twats, who should do us all a favour and shoot themselves and rid the community of scum. The comments about youths hanging outside the Gorse gives me the impression that this person is one of them, and as far as the youths looking intimidating it seems to be a way of life around Gorse Hill. I agree with you stating that there is the possibility that these youths dont committ any crime, or it maybe that they have not been caught!!! By the content of your comments you don,t live around Gorse Hill so really you should shut up and stay in your pit. Once again people slate the police as they are the easiest people to target peoples anger at, when in reality the community and people should be coming forward and helping the Police capture these people, who have taken a young person life away. The police can only rely on information from the public, and it seems that this person making the comment about the car being involved in a previous incident, is holding back information that the police would need. So why don,t you do something positive instead of ranting about rich people and write something about telling people who probably know who has done this, and tell them to contact the cops.
The comments from the uneducated, dyslexic i can only spell in text phone language, proves that one he/she does not fully understand anything about life. The comments section is about people regardless of their background or financial status in relation to a person losing their life to cowardly twats, who should do us all a favour and shoot themselves and rid the community of scum. The comments about youths hanging outside the Gorse gives me the impression that this person is one of them, and as far as the youths looking intimidating it seems to be a way of life around Gorse Hill. I agree with you stating that there is the possibility that these youths dont committ any crime, or it maybe that they have not been caught!!! By the content of your comments you don,t live around Gorse Hill so really you should shut up and stay in your pit. Once again people slate the police as they are the easiest people to target peoples anger at, when in reality the community and people should be coming forward and helping the Police capture these people, who have taken a young person life away. The police can only rely on information from the public, and it seems that this person making the comment about the car being involved in a previous incident, is holding back information that the police would need. So why don,t you do something positive instead of ranting about rich people and write something about telling people who probably know who has done this, and tell them to contact the cops.
Posted by: me, old trafford/stretford on 9:46pm Tue 22 Jan 08
ok hu eva my goursehill is- allthoughit ses im frm old trafford and stretford im in goursehill everyday.
im not holding back any information because the police already know. the shooting that took place on talbot road was 2 min away frm the police station, outside shops and there is a camara across the road from it. they knew about it around 15 min after it happened. so why were there not police circling the area constantly the following days after but yet today you cant walk around gourse hill without seeing multiple officers.
ok hu eva my goursehill is- allthoughit ses im frm old trafford and stretford im in goursehill everyday.
im not holding back any information because the police already know. the shooting that took place on talbot road was 2 min away frm the police station, outside shops and there is a camara across the road from it. they knew about it around 15 min after it happened. so why were there not police circling the area constantly the following days after but yet today you cant walk around gourse hill without seeing multiple officers.
[quote]********the police need to do their job better because the same car that the people who killed halton escaped in, was involved in a shooting on talbot road two days before********
kl hu eva u r... haydock isnt a gang its a group of boys hu hang about togeather and it doesn't exist animore.[/quote]
It sounds like you have information that would come in handy to the police? Are you going to do your bit for Haltons family? From their 'height description' how would you know what height they were? You can't tell if someone is under/over 18 if they are wearing a hoody-apparently they were masked anyway.
There's nothing on here so far to suggest that anyone is 'posh and stuck up', everyhone is just asking questions and trying to get the truth in such a difficult time.
RE to johno, 'how do we know he wasn't in a gang?' Well if you would have read the comments from everyone who actually knew him including myself, you should realise this. Unfortunately not everyone can choose where they live with rental and house prices these days, its not fair to be so presumptuous because he lives in that area, or was there that night. When I have a takeaway it's usually whereevers closest to me, hence why he'll have been in there at a 'busy time'??!? To eat?? A few shots were fired, but the others in there were lucky. Had it been a 10 year old in the takeaway with his dad who happened to get shot, i'm sure you wouldnt say he must have been in a gang?
Quick solutions like banning 'hoodies', and making curfews for under 18's aren't the way forward. Who says that the people who did it were under 18? and a curfew of 9pm wouldnt have helped in this instance anyway-it happened at 8.45.
R.I.P Halton, you were always a funny, cheeky boy with a loud laugh. I'll miss you. Thought are with your big sis & rest of family.xx
********the police need to do their job better because the same car that the people who killed halton escaped in, was involved in a shooting on talbot road two days before********
kl hu eva u r... haydock isnt a gang its a group of boys hu hang about togeather and it doesn't exist animore.
It sounds like you have information that would come in handy to the police? Are you going to do your bit for Haltons family? From their 'height description' how would you know what height they were? You can't tell if someone is under/over 18 if they are wearing a hoody-apparently they were masked anyway.
There's nothing on here so far to suggest that anyone is 'posh and stuck up', everyhone is just asking questions and trying to get the truth in such a difficult time.
RE to johno, 'how do we know he wasn't in a gang?' Well if you would have read the comments from everyone who actually knew him including myself, you should realise this. Unfortunately not everyone can choose where they live with rental and house prices these days, its not fair to be so presumptuous because he lives in that area, or was there that night. When I have a takeaway it's usually whereevers closest to me, hence why he'll have been in there at a 'busy time'??!? To eat?? A few shots were fired, but the others in there were lucky. Had it been a 10 year old in the takeaway with his dad who happened to get shot, i'm sure you wouldnt say he must have been in a gang?
Quick solutions like banning 'hoodies', and making curfews for under 18's aren't the way forward. Who says that the people who did it were under 18? and a curfew of 9pm wouldnt have helped in this instance anyway-it happened at 8.45.
R.I.P Halton, you were always a funny, cheeky boy with a loud laugh. I'll miss you. Thought are with your big sis & rest of family.xx
Posted by: ONE OF HIS BIG SISTERS!, stretford on 10:19pm Tue 22 Jan 08
[bold]I'm one of Halton's big sisters.
I'm grateful to the coverage that the media has taken with this incident and the quick, thorough work the local police are undertaking.
We do however need to know more.
Thank you for all the positive coments and prayers posted on hear, we know that those who knew him share our pain and suffering.
To those of you who seem to find gratification from labeling my brother a 'gang member' i can only pray that God gives us the strength to forgive you.
You, Mecca and others, had add insult to injury; I hope that nothing unfortunate happends to you and your loved ones, then people try to erradicate all the goodness of their character for you to bear witness to.
In my view it sterotyping and generalising people according to their race, appearance and percieved back-ground that has created the callous animals that decided to go get kicks out of ending an innocents life.
No-one who met him has a bad word to say about him.
He used to make us cry with laughter, never fears.
He made every day fullfilled and meaningful.
He went out of his way to bring a glimpse of sunshine to a cloudy day.
He was a centrefold of our family.
And most importantly he was as beautiful on the inside as he was on the outside.
Instead of (incorrectly) judging him, maybe you could pray for him.
At the same time ask God for guidance in your life as your negative voice needs to learn how to show compassion and love towards others.
My angel on earthe has transformed into my angel in heaven. Rest in peace my sweet little bro'[/bold]
I'm one of Halton's big sisters.
I'm grateful to the coverage that the media has taken with this incident and the quick, thorough work the local police are undertaking.
We do however need to know more.
Thank you for all the positive coments and prayers posted on hear, we know that those who knew him share our pain and suffering.
To those of you who seem to find gratification from labeling my brother a 'gang member' i can only pray that God gives us the strength to forgive you.
You, Mecca and others, had add insult to injury; I hope that nothing unfortunate happends to you and your loved ones, then people try to erradicate all the goodness of their character for you to bear witness to.
In my view it sterotyping and generalising people according to their race, appearance and percieved back-ground that has created the callous animals that decided to go get kicks out of ending an innocents life.
No-one who met him has a bad word to say about him.
He used to make us cry with laughter, never fears.
He made every day fullfilled and meaningful.
He went out of his way to bring a glimpse of sunshine to a cloudy day.
He was a centrefold of our family.
And most importantly he was as beautiful on the inside as he was on the outside.
Instead of (incorrectly) judging him, maybe you could pray for him.
At the same time ask God for guidance in your life as your negative voice needs to learn how to show compassion and love towards others.
My angel on earthe has transformed into my angel in heaven. Rest in peace my sweet little bro'
Posted by: Steph, gorse hill on 11:52pm Tue 22 Jan 08
It is ridiculous to suggest a curfew on all under 18s when it is the minority causing a problem. Yes gun crime is worrying but it is worrying everywhere. Getting rid of the pub won't solve anything because they will find another place to go and it is not necessarily the fault of the parents that kids are walking the street, it is the lack of government funding to provide them with something to do. Obviously it is important to address the fears but the most important thing to remember is A YOUNG AMAZING INNOCENT MAN DIED FOR NOTHING. arguing about where we live will solve nothing R.I.P xx
It is ridiculous to suggest a curfew on all under 18s when it is the minority causing a problem. Yes gun crime is worrying but it is worrying everywhere. Getting rid of the pub won't solve anything because they will find another place to go and it is not necessarily the fault of the parents that kids are walking the street, it is the lack of government funding to provide them with something to do. Obviously it is important to address the fears but the most important thing to remember is A YOUNG AMAZING INNOCENT MAN DIED FOR NOTHING. arguing about where we live will solve nothing R.I.P xx
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